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than anybody else, thomas roberts. >> good to have you with me. this hour on "msnbc live," the president-elect makes that long-awaited pick for secretary of state while setting the stage for a fight could define the early days of trump's presidency. and donald trump's come to yeesuz moment? the controversial rapper looking for a role in the new administration? breaking news out of california. this hour investigators planning to reveal the cause of the deadly inferno that claimed 36 lives. just weeks ago in oakland. up first though, this hour, growing opposition to donald trump's long-awaited pick for his top diplomat. senators on both sides of the aisle coming out against rex tillerson's nomination for secretary of state, questioning his ties to vladimir putin. marco rubio citing serious concerns about tillerson's nomination and independent senator bernie sanders calling the nomination very sad, very dangerous and saying he must be
opposed. trump's top advisers argue tillerson's past is an asset, not a liability. >> we just couldn't be more grateful that someone of rex tillerson's proven leadership has been accomplished and willing to step forward. >> a good oil didn't put oil in all freedom-loving democracies across the world, and yet rex tillerson was able to make it work. >> so let's dig into what the headlines are revealing for us today. we have our whole team on this. joining me is nbc's kristen welker in wisconsin, the next site of donald trump's thank you tour stop. on set with me katy tur. kristen, let me start with you. we had house minority leader nancy pelosi on our air with andrea mitchell describing democratic reaction to tillerson. take a listen. >> in terms of the president-elect's nomination, coziness with vladimir putin is very alarming and should --
should have been -- eliminated, quite frankly. right now his approach to the sanctions on russia because of their aggression in europe should be enough to say, perhaps, another relationship with the administration, but not secretary of state. >> so democrats obviously have questions, but what about republicans, how much of a fight will there be on the hill over this? >> reporter: right. donald trump is setting up his first real fight with some members of his own party. senator john mccain, who is considered to be a hawk, has questioned whether tillerson is right for this job given his ties to russia, saying he wants more information about his ties to russia. senator marco rubio saying that being friends with vladimir putin is not exactly an attribute he wants to see in a secretary of state. and then, of course, you have a fierce reaction from democrats. what you heard there from nancy pelosi and also this from senator tim kaine. tillerson for secretary of
state. what's next, climate change deniers for epa? oh, wait. as we've reported, rick perry tapped to lead the energy department. wanted to get rid of the energy department. couldn't remember the name of that department in a debate in 2012. democrats say they're gearing up for a fierce fight. they know they won't be able to block a whole lot of donald trump's nominees, but this might be one of them. they say, why? because you have that dissension from republicans. they think if they can win over three, mccain, rubio, maybe a lindsey graham, they could actually block him. for his part, president-elect donald trump gearing up for that fight, digging in. you saw his fierce defense of rex tillerson over the weekend and everyone who's a part of his transition team. kellyanne conway saying he's someone who will be effective at the job because he's someone who has traveled the globe, executed deals internationally.
and the president-elect trying to cast his close ties to russia as something that will be a positive, something that will help the united states have leverage over russia. so, this could be the first real nomination fight that we witness, thomas. >> we know that hillary clinton was widely panned for the reset button as she was secretary of state, and there was no reset, so maybe the idea is with tillerson to go in with an established person who has a relationship with vladimir putin. we have republican folks coming out in support of this, including dick cheney, robert gates, condi rice, heavy hitters among support for tillerson. when we think about the nomination going forward, this would be the first person in modern history to be nominated with no public sector experience. it's kind of like donald trump himself, but just going as secretary of state, right? >> absolutely. and donald trump promised what he would called drain the swamp. what it seems in his mind is taking out some career politician from these roles and
establishing business leaders for these roles. i don't know if that's what his supporters thought he would do, but that could be the case. rex tillerson is someone, although he doesn't have any government experience, does have quite a bit of experience around the world as ceo of exxonmobil. he's experienced dealing with places like russia, dealing with iran, going around the state department, even, to make sure his shareholders were getting a good deal, to make sure they were securing oil contracts around the world, even in places that the american government was not so comfortable with. that could be a positive to some people, saying he'll be able to work with foreign governments, that even we were not able to work with. for others, they could say, hey, listen, is he going to be more in the bag for his shareholders, for exxonmobil, for making money than he is for the american public? what you said at the top is correct. he does have some support from some pretty heavy hitter foreign policy types, that includes condi rice, dick cheney, former
vice president, and bob gates, former defense secretary. all of them are saying not only is this an excellent choice, cheney is calling him an inspired choice. it's important to add, though, that bob gates and con ledoleez rice are paid consultants for exxon. we want to go to that press conference in oakland updating folks to the investigation in california that killed 36. >> for the district attorney's office investigation. although atf is no longer on the scene, we would like to let the families and friends of the victims know that our thoughts are with them. at this time i would like to turn the podium over to fire chief reed. >> good morning, everyone. i would like to start off by acknowledging the remarkable work that was done by oakland fire department personnel.
their time on scene during those four days was very taxing physically and mentally. i just want to thank them personally for the contributions they have made in regards to this tragic incident. the work they performed was spectacular, because it was a very difficult event. i want to thank the atf for their participation and support throughout this incident. for providing us with investigators and specialized personnel from their fire research laboratory in maryland. currently our fire investigators are working with atf to compile the information necessary for final file report. the determination and cause of origin has not been identified yet. this investigation is still ongoing.
once we complete the fire report, and as i mentioned, it's the investigation right now is still ongoing, so i cannot give you a date on when that report will be completed. once the report is completed, it will be turned over to the da's office, as mentioned by atf, to continue their ongoing investigation that is taking place. again, this was a tragic event. it was something that the city of oakland thought that they would -- it was a tragic event. and so, with the families, our thoughts and prayers are with you. and for all the different agencies that was out supporting that event, i just want to say thank you to everyone for your participation and your help during these times. >> good morning. i'm nancy o'malley, the district attorney. and i want to just begin by
echoing what chief reed just said, and that is to acknowledge the dedicated, hard work of the first responders, the firefighters, law enforcement, and including all of the leaders of those organizations who worked so hard over the last several days to make sure that this -- this tragic event is being addressed with the utmost seriousness and focus that we can. i want to thank specific canically the atf for all their expertise and for working so closely with my investigative team. between the atf and my criminal investigation team, we have conducted numerous interviews with witnesses. we are working with the atf and with the oakland fire department to identify what we can from the evidence that's been presented. the analysis is ongoing. and that will continue. as you know, my office now stands in the lead of the
criminal investigation. and we're working closely with now the oakland fire department to make sure that we are thorough, that we are methodical and that we are calculated in how we are able to analyze every piece of information and every piece of evidence that we believe we have recovered from the fire scene, as well as surrounding circumstances. that led up to that tragic fire. we will continue with our investigation. the lead prosecutor is david limm, an assistant district attorney, and we have several investigators from my office who are working, committed 100% to this investigation. we will work as efficiently as we can. we will move it along as quickly as we can, but we wil not sacrifice the integrity of the investigation or any of the analysis to try to get to an end result before we are ready.
i want to emphasize it's an active investigation and we will not be commenting on any of the information that we have gathered. i thank the media for the attention that you have given to this and, particularly, to the attention and care that you have shown in your reporting to the family members of those who died in the fire and to all of the people who survived the fire, and those who have information that give us a better context under which this fire was -- occurred. i also want to say that the -- my office victim witness division has been working actively and very significantly in reaching out and working with the families of those who have died and with those who survived the fire. we have prepared for you a number of phone numbers for resources for people in the community who have been impacted by this fire, particularly those who have been directly impacted, either by losing a loved one or
by themselves surviving the fire. these are critical, critical resources for people who have suffered this great tragedy in a much more personal and direct way. i'm asking you to make sure you are publishing these numbers as we are throughout our media outlets and social media to make sure those who need help have it readily available to them. the red cross has also been working very closely and really convening the crisis center. they are providing tremendous assets and resources to people who have been devastated by this fire, either by loss, by their own experience or those who are in the area who have lost their houses or those who live there before the fire occurred. i cannot give you a specific timeline, but i will guarantee to the community, to the family members who lost someone in the fire, to those who survived the
fire, that we will work diligently, we will be methodic and we will be thorough in bringing this case to justice. and to every victim of the fire, to their families, to those who survived and to the community that has been so impacted by this tragedy -- >> we're listening to officials from oakland, california, give a briefing about the ghost ship warehouse fire. this was in oakland. it happened on december 2nd. 36 people were killed. one thing they've been able to do is start to cross out origins and things they wou s theorize this blaze. now they are taking a look at electrical systems whether they had been updated or overlooked for years. 36 people were killed. the atf is leading the investigation of this. they call it a tragic event. and will they find somebody to bring charges against? we're hearing from the da right there that, again, this remains
an open investigation. no final determination on the cause. still ahead, more on donald trump's pick for secretary of state and team trump still brushing off claims that russia hacked into the u.s. election. but how long can they dispute the cia's findings and how far will the probe ordered by president obama ultimately go? senator ron wyden, a member of the select committee on intelligence is going to join me next live. start yours with philips sonicare, the no.1 choice of dentists. compared to oral-b 7000, philips sonicare flexcare platinum removes significantly more plaque. this is the sound of sonic technology cleaning deep between teeth. hear the difference? get healthier gums in just 2 weeks vs a manual toothbrush and experience an amazing feel of clean. innovation and you. philips sonicare. save now when you buy philips sonicare.
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russia's influence. officials telling nbc news its findings were not based on a single piece of intelligence but, instead, analysis of a growing body of circumstantial evidence. so, let's dive right into this. joining me is msnbc political analyst and former -- excuse me, joining me now is ron wyden, who is senator from oregon and a member of the senate select committee on intelligence. sir, it's good to have you with me. we have nine senators calling for the department of national intelligence to conduct a review of the hacks and cia now saying their conclusion was based, as i said, on circumstantial evidence. is that enough of a threshold for you? if so, what do you want to see done? >> i think the inquiry the nine senators called for today is very helpful. the bottom line is, and i started a number of weeks ago, a push to get some of this information declassified. there is information that the american people have a right to know. it is not going to compromise what are called sources and
methods. we ought to get it out. i also believe, as part of this process, there ought to be open hearings. the american people ought to be able to get the facts. and it's time to separate out the facts with respect to make sure that the facts get addressed. >> when it comes to the facts being addressed, the president has called for this review, but there are also folks that are calling on the president to declassify this type of intelligence that would lead the cia to make an assessment such as this. how dangerous is it to reveal this type of information, as you say, even though those sources and methods need to be protected? >> i believe there's information now that is in the public interest. there's a public right to know. people say, well, the agencies are differing. well, let's let all the facts come out. let's let the american people see that information. this began back in october. we had our two leading officials say that it was their judgment that, in effect, with the disclosures and wikileaks that
there had been interference in our elections. it's time for the american people to be brought in, i think, open hearings are warranted. >> so, kellyanne conway has been pushing back on this saying that, you know, russian interference did not keep hillary clinton from traveling to wisconsin or saying that the cia and potential leaks is a bigger issue because of folks that have security clearances that would give this information out. does that concern you at all that there have been leaks putting this out into the public interest drawing these questions? >> of course, leaks are wrong, but what is also wrong is to keep the facts from getting to the american people. the reality is, we have a long history in this country when a foreign power interferes with an american institution like an election. we do not allow it to be unchecked. and the reality is that skepticism is going to continue to grow about this incoming administration. for example, the appointment
today of mr. tillerson, in my view, is going to generate deeper skepticism about the integrity of this administration. he has clear ties with vladimir putin. exxon has extensive oil leases. what we need to do is lift the fog here and get the facts out. >> sir, are you a firm no on what tillerson and what the nomination process will mean for him? >> i always say you let a nomination go forward, but i think he is going to face a very heavy lift. you look at what a number of my senior republican colleagues have said. you look at his relationship with russia, you look at, for example, the very extensive contacts they have with respect to millions of acres of oil leases. i think he's going to have a heavy lift. >> do you expect to do any work yourself to lobby other republicans to your team or are you going to leave that all to senators graham, mccain and
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but this is shaping up to be very contentious on the hill for donald trump. senate republican like marco rubio and john mccain are raising questions about tillerson's deep ties to russia. joining me former pennsylvania governor, ed rendell, former deputy manager for mitt romney campaign, katy packer and and joe ruben. it's great to have you with me. i'm looking over some interactions that took place from josh earnest in the white house briefing moments ago. the tillerson pick question, governor, he was asked about that, and the fact that donald trump seems more intent to have warmer relations with russia and would rather choose -- a better way to do that is to choose someone that's gotten award by russia to be secretary of state. there has been a lot of hesitancy from democrats, governor, but can he get a fair shake because he is a successful businessman with no government experience, is that fair?
>> i think, look, the fact he's a businessman with no government experience is counterbalanced by the experience he's had dealing with governments all over the globe, as exxon does. that's not his biggest problem. his biggest problem is, one, the friendship with russia. i don't think we should be appointing people who have friendships with russia. if we think russia is a friend and will act in our interest, we shouldn't kid ourselves. that's number one. in number two, in context of what the cia says, and senator wyden says, there has to be public hearings, in the context the russians tried to tilt the election to donald trump, to be appointing people like rex tillerson and general flynn, who as you know received a speaking fee from the russian oil companies, to be appointing people like that is very dangerous in the sense it creates an impression that's almost inescapable.
>> this is a suggestion from reince priebus, who will be donald trump's incoming chief of staff, talking about the mitt romney situation, and why he chose rex tillerson over your former boss. take a listen to this. >> number one, it comes down to chemistry. governor romney's impressive but so are so many others that we talked to, mayor giuliani, david petraeus, bob corker. but at the end, it was a mass e massive -- you know, it was chemistry, it was presence, it was vision. it was also the ability rex tillerson had to maintain relationships across the world, in many places that aren't the easiest places to have relationships in. >> do you buy that, that it was about chemistry, or do you think mitt romney's involvement was more of a side show? >> i think absolutely it was about chemistry. i'm not sure what the consideration was for president-elect trump to look at governor romney. he's obviously an impressive individual, but somebody that is more in line with the
president-elect's thinking probably is the right choice. that's why we have confirmation hearings, to review a person's record, a person's relationships. i don't think the fact that as a business leader that he, you know, had good relationships with foreign governments should be disqualifying. that's the goal of a ceo who's beholden to his shareholders. that's a different job from secretary of state. and there will be confirmation hearings. all of these senators will have a chance to ask him some very tough questions. and i do expect he'll face tough questions, but i think just because somebody has had a good relationship with putin in the past shouldn't be a disqualifier. i do think, though, it's going to be important to evaluate how he views that relationship going forward. that's something the american people should pay close attention to. >> joel, let me ask you this because you worked with ambassador chris stevens, who was can killed in benghazi, do you think rex tillerson has the right background to work with our allies around the world and
keep our assets safe abroad? >> thank you for having me here. i have to say it's a strange day in washington when senate democrats are pining with what could have been mitt romney as secretary of state. there's a real concern i'm hearing in national security circles and certainly from within the state department as well, questions about conflicts of interest, questions about background and the understanding of the whole diverse number of issues that a secretary of state encounters. every single issue, be it human rights, terrorism, american citizens in trouble, you name it, every single issue around the world comes to the secretary of state's desk. and these are all critical issues for the confirmation hearings, but the big one, as was discussed earlier, the closeness to vladimir putin, the closeness to russia, it's not as if this administration hasn't engaged russia. it has. it has cut deals with russia on nuclear arms accords and on iran. one can engage but also know how to stand up for american
interests. i think that's going to be a core question, focal point, of tillerson's confirmation hearings. and it's going to be a big battle. >> katie, we were expecting donald trump to have a press conference on december 15th to talk about how he was going to firewall himself from any business dealings from within the trump organization. now we have a delay on that. he's saying some time in january or further down the road from that. they're saying it's because they're in the middle of making all these different transition picks. we did see kanye west have an opportunity with the president-elect today. that kind of blew everybody's mind. i said earlier, we're asking the question, why is ckanye west there but we should ask, what took him so long? what about donald trump being able to firewall himself? >> i'm sure as they delve into this, it's become more complex and complicated and they're facing issues they're not quite ready to answer. i do hope the president-elect will come before the media and answer some questions about how he intends to do that and how to
prevent a conflict of interest and make sure he's putting the interest of the american people first. i'm sure that they've got a lot of lawyers working on these things. it is a very complicated thing. but the fact they're not answering the questions now is not that they don't have time on their schedule. i think they haven't actually answered all those questions internally yet. >> we're still waiting to see donald trump's taxes because of that ongoing audit he talks about. governor, last question, i'll ask you about the team of rivals some folks are talking about when it comes to donald trump's picks. not so much rivals to donald trump, but rivals to administrations or agencies they'll head, like scott pruitt over the epa or rick perry over energy. what type of portrait is this painting for you? >> this is the most conservative cabinet in my lifetime, far more conservative than ronald reagan. we have someone at epa who is a climate change denier, who doesn't believe in environmental protection. we have an education secretary
who doesn't believe in public education. a labor secretary who doesn't believe in organized labor. an attorney general who doesn't believe in civil rights. now we have an energy secretary designate who didn't believe in the energy department and wanted to disband it. what's going on? >> i don't think it's fair to say devos doesn't believe in public education. that's the only one i have time for and i know her well personally so i wanted to defend her on that front. >> thank you very much, katie packer, governor ed rendell and joel ruben, thank you. we check in on the situation in aleppo, syria. the syrian forces now reportedly are going door-to-door, executing innocent civilians as droves of children remain in the cross-fire. now the u.n. is taking a stand in an attempt to help them. we'll explain and how you can help, too, after this.
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roberts live from msnbc world head quaurders in new york. first, the frigid temperatures sweeping across the country thanks to a polar vortex. 28 million americans are in for another round of arctic chill. temperatures set to fall 10 to 30 degrees below normal and windchills dropping as much as 40 below in certain areas. this update on the bill cosby case, in court for day two. the hearing ahead of an upcoming sexual assault trial. this hearing about whether other accusers can testify in this case. cosby's being charged with drugging and sexually assaulting a woman in 2004. cosby insists the encounter was consensual and denies all allegations of sexual assault. this, the breaking news in syria, where a deal has been reached. the fighting between syrian government and rebel forces in the city of aleppo. this is ato allow trapped civilians to flee. the u.n. calling the fighting in aleppo a complete meltdown of humanity. reports are coming out of
gassings and mass executions with pro-government forces on the ground, on the verge of taking full control of the city. just getting an update from john kirby at the state department saying he can't confirm with any certainty about whether or not aleppo has fallen or not, as they continue to monitor this syrian civil war. we'll update if there is more news to be made from john kirby in the state department. nbc's kelly cobiella is joining us from london. as we talk about the humanitarian crisis, the u.n. and human rights office says at least 82 innocent people have been killed, murdered, quote, on the spot inside their homes. now we have a report of 100 kids trapped inside a building that's under fire. what do we know about what's being done to rescue and what's being done to stem the violence? >> the u.n., thomas, has been pushing hard throughout the day to gain access to aleppo. they've been denied access, they say, by the syrian government presently and actually for months, if you look back at what's been happening there.
they've been pushing hard again today, saying they really need to get in and verify or discount some of these reports. some horrifying reports about those people being civilians, being executed by fighters loyal to assad. 13 children, 11 women, among those who died. now, the united nations is saying, look, we don't have the proof, but we need to get in. we need to get access to some of these civilians. we're talking about tens of thousands of people potentially still trapped in aleppo. people who are not affiliated with the fighting. on the other side we're hearing from russia saying, we have no evidence of any sort of humanitarian atrocities. we have no evidence of these executions, of the children trapped in buildings. in fact, they're saying that the only people in aleppo are terrorists, not activists, not doctors, not aid groups. so, a bit of a back and forth
yet again. a very different picture from these two sides on what's happening inside the city. amongst all of that, thomas, we now have word of this -- what rebels are calling a cease-fire and ee vvacuation. a deal reached between the various rebel factions and the syrian government/the russians, to leave the city, along with their families. now, if this actually does hold, this could happen in the next several hours. but the big question is, what happens to the civilians still in that city, even the envoy to the u.n. for russia said civilians weren't part of this, there's no reason for them to evacuate. they will be taken care of now that the syrian government is in control of that city. but, obvious concerns for the people still there. thomas? >> nbc's kelly cobiella reporting from our london news room. thank you very much. back here at home, we have the president-elect and the
expectation he would hold a major press conference this thursday to detail his plan to leave the trump organization before taking the oath of office. now, that announcement postponed with trump taking to twitter to say he'll hold a press conference in the near future to discuss business. the delay leaves in limbo the over 500 companies trump owns. golf courses, buildings and loans, tying him to businesses and governments in an estimated 20 countries. so, joining me now, msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber and host of the 9:00 a.m. here and stephanie roehl. great to see you. we have most of this from a tweet. donald trump saying his sons will run the businesses along with certain executives. his family will still be involved, stephanie, so how do we make sure there is a proper firewall in place if it's just simply boiled down to a blind trust? >> here's what i'm not going to do, hold my breath waiting for donald trump to explain all of this in any form of a press
conference. donald trump is not having a press conference tomorrow. all the information he most likely was going to put out there, he put out there today, which was basically, don jr. and eric, which by no means, and ari can get into this, would be a blind trust, are going to run the company and there won't be any new deals. what there really isn't is an opportunity to ask donald trump about any questions about this. this is the new -- donald trump told matt lauer, i love twitter. it's the best way to get to everyone. it's the best way to get at everyone and share his business, but we're not talking about ethics or law. >> is that going to suffice the ethics office, ari, the fact he's just saying this will happen, it will be a blind trust? >> there's a lot of angles. the ethics office has called for total divestment. a lot of are worried about this has the capacity to entire his first first term.
i'll put up on the screen what ethics tell us are the key questions. will he totally divest the company. is trump going to run or family members? independence, a wall between trump and administration? bribery prevention. trump likes to say the ethics rules don't always apply to him. bribery federal criminal statutes do. a public release of tax returns and a public release of the written policy, not just the tweets, so we can see as a country what the structure is to avoid the kind of conflicts of interest in foreign government intervention, a hot topic this week, that could create business and national security dilemmas. >> he's not mandated by law to do anything, correct? >> he's not -- this is my point. he's not main dated by the federal governments and ethics act. rex tillerson will actually have
to sell assets in a way under law that trump is not. that does not mean it's lawless. the constitution bans foreign gifts, the emolument clause, and foreign bribery statutes apply. foreign governments say they want a quid pro quo. this is something the federal government can get ahead of or we're seeing donald trump falling behind it. >> for rex tillerson, what's his profile on wall street? here's a guy with exxon for 40 years, literally an eagle scout. >> literally. >> literally an eagle scout. does he have a good reputation? >> what's interesting, usually when you look at ceos of publicly traded companies, they're out there a lot. you see them interviewed many times. that's not the case with rex tillerson. reese actually done more interviews with the boy scouts of america, to your point he's very passionate about, than in the general or media business. he has a very good reputation. if you think about can rex tillerson truly unwind himself from exxon, to ari's point he
has to sell out of all his shares, that will happen. this is the only company he's ever worked at his entire adult life. he is thoroughly threaded into this organization. if he became secretary of state, if he was in a position to influence or lift sanctions against russia, and he has said before as the ceo of exxon he didn't feel good about those sanctions, guess what, exxon would then be able to drill in the arctic and that would be very good for that company. >> i think stephanie makes an interesting point. donald trump ran on saying the system is rigged and what's good for wall street isn't always good for rural tennessee or rural michigan or the forgotten jobs in pennsylvania. it is fascinating, just as a factual observation, that after all that, the people hear he's stacking the cabinet with, are the people according to donald trump, were rigging the system, the energy rules and the goldman sachs folks -- >> but, but, if -- >> here we go. >> -- if donald trump fulfills campaign promises and those people around the country who have lost their job, who haven't seen wages increase f you're one of those people who works for
carrier whose job is staying in indiana, you might say, so what if donald trump owns a lot of hotels and hires his other buddies. it's working for me. i don't mind if it works for him. the conflict of interest arises when there's conflict and people are disappointed. if they feel they'ring, they might be okay with donald winning. >> the first misstep, it's all going down. thank you. >> i'm not holding my breath for the press conference. >> don't hold your breath. we need you tomorrow right here on "msnbc live". our final look at pulse question. rex tillerson has been ceo in exxon for 40 years, but is he qualified to be secretary of state? 85% say no, 15% say yes. we'll be back. just when pokemon go users thought they caught them all, it's time to get back into the game. here's an update on "the verge". >> pokemon go users are getting ready for round two. they unleashed a new roster of
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welcome back. let's take you live to the white house. this moment in history we'll watch together. we're looking live into the setting where the president will sign into law the 20th century cures act, which increases funding for medical research also includes the cancer moonshot. that's an initiative that pays tribute to boeau biden. it passed with bipartisan support. this will be the last bill president obama signs as commander in chief. when that happens, we'll bring to you live. members of the electoral
college are calling on the director of the national intelligence to give them classified briefings on russia's interference of the 2016 elections. in a letter to james clapper, 29 electors ask for questions and the clinton is backing this move. in a recently released statement saying in part, we now know the cia has determined russia's interference in our elections was for the purpose of electing donald trump. this should distress every american. this as lawmakers on both sides of the aisle ask for a congressional probe of this matter. nancy pelosi saying the american people are owed answers. >> again, the sanctity of our democracy, we have to make sure it doesn't happen again. and if the trump administration is not concerned about the outcome, they shouldn't fear the investigation. >> joining me right now is democratic strategist kristen pelosi, chair of the california democratic party women's caucus and daughter of nancy pelosi.
she led the effort to draft the letter to clapper. great to have you with me. former clinton campaign communications director jen palmieri spoke to rachel maddow last night about why the campaign was weighing in our your effort. take a listen. >> this we felt particularly since there was new information that we learned on friday night about the intent of russia, we thought this was a worthy -- this was a worthy effort for us to weigh in on. part of the theory is, they meet a month later, so you -- if there's a new development, such as this, the electors have an opportunity to consider that. >> you want classified briefings about information that could be conclusive and revealing if the hacking situation with russia turns out to be true, an influencer for our elections. can you move forward if you don't get that? >> well, thomas, there's two
things we want. first of all, what we would like to do is have director clapper declassify the information so all of the american people have an opportunity to take a look at the very disturbing news reports that the election was swayed by russia illegally for trump. so, first thing we want is for the information to be declassified. the second thing we want is in order to protect sources and methods in our intelligence community, to protect their agents and assets, we would want a lower classification such that we, the electors, could get what they call a day pass, which they give to witnesses, for example, in investigations, so we could go into a secure facility, at an fbi office or military base in our community, as members of congress, members of the military do, and have a look at that information with the appropriate safeguards for our intelligence when it comes to e they have to vote with their
states. even if you and other folks are able to get these intel briefings, what changes? >> what changes is our understanding of what happened with the election, as i will exan der hamilton wrote in the federalist paper, we have to be concerned about undue foreign influence in our elections. it's one thing for americans to say we can go into other countries and work on their elections as organizations and people do, but it's another to say you're going to commit a crime, political espionage, and change the course of an election with, perhaps, the knowledge of the person you're helping. that's why we want the disclosure. again, to quote our house democratic leader, if they have nothing to fear from the evidence, they should not fear an investigation. they should not fear declassification, which we hope will happen this week so all the american people can find out one way or another the truth of the reports that we read with alarm last friday. >> thanks so much. the house democratic leader you referenced there, your mom, leader nancy pelosi.
thank you for your time. this is the moment we were telling you about with the president signing the last bill as commander in chief for his administration. it has to do with the 21st century cures act. it's going to increase medical funding, which includes the cancer moonshot, which is about beau bodien. let's listen to the vice president. >> on behalf of the administration, let me thank all the bipartisan leadership here. let me make sure. this bill would not have occurred without the leading voices, republican voices, in the house and the senate, as well as democrats. it would have never, ever occurred. and i hope this bodes well for what will come next year, that we're back working together. this was -- this is a consequential piece of legislation that was extremely important, cost a lot of money and done in the lame duck session. without the true bipartisan
support, this piece of legislation would have never occurred. it's going to help millions of people, millions of people. as the president will talk about this in greater detail in a moment. the 21st century cures act will harness america's best minds, science, medicine and technology, to tackle some of our biggest and most complex health challenges today. the bill commits $6.3 billion over seven years dealing with opioid addiction, precision medicine, and the brain initiative, mental illness, alzheimer's disease, and so much more. but, mr. president, if you'll excuse as we both have just done a point of personal privilege, i want to thank my colleagues of that $6.3 billion, $1.8 billion will go invested in cancer research and care. when the president asked me last year at the state of the union to head the cancer moonshot, we said we were going to ask you
all for significant funding increases at nih and national cancer institute. and you all stepped up, again, republicans and democrats. as part of the moonshot, we set up called a blue ribbon panel to review what should be the scientific priorities as we tackle this to try to end cancer as we know it, try to do in the next five years what ordinarily would take ten years. these priorities include investing in promising new therapies like immunotherapy, using the body's own immune therapy, enhancing prevention and detection efforts in every community, regardless of the zip code in which you live, supporting research to improve outcomes for children with cancer and putting us on a path to turn what is currently a devastating cancer diagnosis into either a chronic disease or an absolute cure. and in the process it will fundamental
fundamentally, i believe, change the culture of our fight against cancer and inject an overwhelming sense of urgency, or as the president often says, the urgency of now. and every single moment -- god willingly this bill will save lives. most of all, what it does, just mere signing today, mr. president, as you know better than i do, gives millions of americans hope. there's probably not a one of you in this audience or a one of you listening to this who hasn't had a family member or friend someone touched by cancer. you know, and i want to particularly thank my colleagues. senator mcconnell and senator reid, who moved, mr. president, as you know, to name this section of the bill after our son, jill is here with me today, our son beau. [ applause ]
it's a point of personal privilege, mr. president. you know he loved you. and you were wonderful to beau. he spent a year in iraq, came back a decorated veteran, and attorney general. state, and he never, ever gave up, nor did we. and we had access to some of the best doctors in the world, including the head of the department of neurooncology at m.d. anderson, a good friend of ours. dr. al young. thank you for being here. as i said, we never gave up, but jill and i realized that we're not the only family touched by cancer. and so many are touched who don't have nearly the support system we've had. mr. president, you lost your mother and so many other families in here have lost someone to cancer. and as i said, this legislation is going to give hope. every day millions of people are praying, praying for hope, praying for time, praying that
somehow something will happen just to extend -- they're not even praying for cures most of the time. those of you who are doctors in the audience, how many times have you heard someone say, doc, give me three more weeks so i can walk her down the aisle or give me another two months, this is my first granbaby, i want to see him or her born. it's all a matter of hours, days, weeks, months. this is going to accelerate exponentially, in my view, the kinds of efforts we can make right now, things that are at our disposal right now, to extend life. ladies and gentlemen, i believe president obama and my colleagues in the senate, as i said, both parties, are motivated by the same commitment that after whom moonshot was named. president kennedy talked about going to the moon. problem is, there's only one moon and 200-some cancers. here's what he